Drag queens love her. Talk show hosts from Johnny Carson to Jimmy Kimmel adore her. Children raised on the Imagination Library thank her. Feminists know the high-gloss make-up and cotton-candy hair are all part of her insurrection. Carl Dean calls her his wife.
Ultimately, Dolly Parton, now 76 years young, is a force of nature who can straddle being a businesswoman, tackle complicated social issues like funding COVID vaccines in a way that dials down the anger, make her acting debut opposite Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin and hold her own ā and create the most sex-positive persona thatās strung across seven decades.
ā9 To 5ā became a working personās anthem, as well as feminist treatise. āJolene,ā about the sexier woman who could steal your man. āLove Is Like A Butterflyā embracing the heartās redemptive power. āCoat of Many Colorsā showing her motherās ingenuity in the face of poverty, as well as societyās cruel judgements.
A dozen Grammys. Two Oscar nominations, plus an Emmy, Tony, Golden Globe and a pair of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Her songs felt like they were snatched from dirt in the Appalachians, so pure and true; like Steinbeck, she understood the dignity of poverty, like Helen Gurley Brown, she could twist feminine wiles into a wink and a poke at the status quo.
She showed her inner and outer beauty in full technicolor and sparkle. Her hair and breasts jacked up; bright pastels and gilded looks front and center. She was a fantasy fairy who talked quick, wrote true and never kept it less than incredibly real. Who could resist any of that along with her classic catalog?
Her live performances, too, are legendary. Sure, thereās plenty of Rymans and Oprys, but she kept up with the times. Amidst her 268 Pollstar Boxoffice reports are concerts played during the pandemic on Twitch, Pandora Live and YouTube. From her biggest earning show ā $4.1 million grossed over three nights at Australiaās Brisbane Entertainment Center in November 2011 ā to her first shows in the Pollstar database in August 1982 where she played 10 shows at Clevelandās Front Row Theater grossing $323,000 ā Dolly is a global road warrior whoās captivated millions.
Already in the Songwriters, Grammy, Country, Gospel and Happiness halls of fame, her fierce embrace of individuality, her ability to turn severing a business relationship into a No. 1 country hit of her own, then a 14-week No. 1 pop sensation for Whitney Houston with āI Will Always Love Youā is about as rock ānā roll as it gets.
Pollstar: Youāre working on a rock ānā roll record?
Dolly Parton: Well, I am. When I got nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, I thought āWell, no better time to do it.ā I had always wanted to do it. My husband is a big hard rock ānā roll fan, and for years I thought, āOne of these days Iād like to do an album mainly just for him, just to kind of do it.ā When I got nominated, I thought, āWhy not just go ahead and do it while the ironās hot? Maybe have some of the greats, the legends of rock ānā roll sing along with me.
Iām gathering all that stuff and notifying a few people. When I get leveled out from finishing the movie [āRun, Rose, Runā], hopefully Iām going to have a real good album. Iām looking forward to it.
I remember interviewing you for 1989ās White Limozeen. It had REOās āTime For Me to Flyā on it. You said it was a request by your husband.
Yeah ā¦ I loved that song! I covered āShineā by Collective Soul, that was my husbandās idea, and the Billy Joel song āTravelinā Prayer,ā and also āTrain, Train.ā All those things from the rock field were my husbandās idea. Though he did not like it when I was going to do āStairway to Heaven.ā But Iām going to redo that really on the money. I did it kind of bluegrass-style when I did it; but when I do the rock album, Iām going to actually re-record it ā and do it more true to the regular record. Iām trying to see if Robert Plant might sing on it. Maybe Jimmy Page might do the pick-up part on it. Iām looking forward to dragging in some of the great classic people, girls and boys, to sing on some of the songs. Iām not far enough along to discuss who and what, but I am going to do an album.
There was all that confusion about what you were going to if you were voted in. In some ways, the way you followed your heart in your music and your career is as rock ānā roll as anything anybodyās ever done.
I have to honestly say, Iām very grateful and honored, but Iām also the kind of person ā I had to do a rock album, because if Iām going to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, Iām going to by God earn it! (laughs) Thatās my attitude toward it. Thereās no way Iām not going to do an album, so people can see that I could and can do it.
I was like a whole lot of people, I always felt the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame was for rock ānā roll people, who spent their lives, time, energy and talent in the rock ānā roll field. I didnāt realize all the people who had gotten in who werenāt really rock ānā roll, but I still stand by my thing. When I said I didnāt want to do it, I didnāt want to take votes from someone whoād spent their life in that. But I said, if they put me there, I will accept gracefully. And I will. I even wrote a song about the whole situation to sing at the ceremony. A fine, cute little rock ānā roll song thatāll probably go on the rock ānā roll album. Itās called āRockināā: āYou know Iāve been rockinā since the day I was bornā¦ā You know, listening to Elvis and Journey and Chuck Berry, all those great people. Itās a fine little song, and itās real rock-y, so Iāll have something fun to play off of, to ease some of the tension.
Dolly Parton performing onstage at Day on the Green concert at Oakland Coliseum on May 28, 1978 in Oakland, California. (Photo by Richard McCaffrey/Michael Ochs Archive/Getty Images)
Itās so you. Even when you started out, you really told the truth about whatever the situation was. You did it with great writing, but you also knew how to be funny and poke people in the eye a little bit.
(laughs) I donāt mean to do anything ā I just do what I do, the way that I do it. I have my personality. Whatever comes along in my life, I deal with it, according to me, what I think, what I feel; I do that in my songs or I do that about a situation, like the whole rock ānā roll thing. I, of all people, would never want to stir up any kind of controversy, I am not that person. But also I am not the kind of person to avoid the truth of how Iām feeling about a thing.
Growing up, āDumb Blondeā was one of my favorites. I had lots of friends who were blonde and smart, and I used to love playing that song for them.
I loved that movie āLegally Blonde.ā I think a lot of people think weāre just bimbos or whatever, but that song said āā¦just because Iām blonde, donāt think Iām dumb, because this dumb blonde aināt nobodyās fool!ā (laughs). It doesnāt matter what color your hair is; if youāve got the goods, youāve got the goods.
In retrospect, we looked at that and went, āWasnāt she a cheeky monkey!? Look at her tell the truth with a big smile.ā
I still believe that. Thatās why I think the song ā9 to 5ā and the movie ā9 to 5,ā of which I was happy to be a part of, mattered. Iām not one of those people ā I donāt have to march in the streets or carry signs or anything ā to state my truth. I just try to write it in my songs and live it everyday; in interviews, I say what I think and feel.
But I still think a lot of good was done with the ā9 to 5ā movie. Still, a lot of stuff needs to be done, but it brought a lot of attention to the fact that a lot of people didnāt even realize, men or women, that women werenāt actually being paid equally for the same work. Itās just not a fair thing as a human being: if you do the work, you should get the pay and the credit. Iām still all about that.
When you left Nashville, you took control, became a movie star, had pop hits, kind of a rock ānā roll move. But ā9 to 5,ā even āSteel Magnoliasā and āBest Little Whorehouse,ā those were feminist roles.
Well they were, but I just follow my heart with those things. Iām not trying to preach sermons, Iām not trying to do anything other than live by example. Iām a strong-minded woman; I work hard, I demand that I get credit for what I do, and certainly I make myself known if Iām working on a thing. I donāt think anything should be held back. Just because youāre a girl ā I mean, if youāre good at something, you should be credited and paid for that.
Iāve been lucky. I donāt do it in a bitter way or in a snide way. Iāve got six brothers; Iām from a family of 12, six girls and six boys. I know every personality. Every man that Iāve met, I see someone in my family. I was very close to my uncles, to my dad and grandpas, so Iām used to that good olā boy stuff. I grew up in the country; I just know the nature of men, and I love men. So I know there are some bad ones out there, but there are some good ones, too. I always take all that into consideration. Thereās a whole lot of men who are equally as for-women as there are the ones who are not. I donāt think we should just bash men because theyāre men anymore than we want them bashing on us because weāre women. We need to balance that all out and recognize the ones who are being supportive and appreciate them for appreciating us as well.
American actresses Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda and Dolly Parton on the set of Nine to Five, written and directed by Colin Higgins. (Photo by Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation/Sunset Boulevard/Corbis via Getty Images)
The most feminist move is for everybody to respect everybody.
Thatās who I am, I donāt think it should matter what color you are, what your religion is, whether youāre a woman or a man or transgender; if youāve got something to offer, you should be loved. You should just be accepted for who you are and what youāre doing.
I wrote a song thatās in my new Christmas movie called āBe That.ā It says, āWhatever you are, be that, whatever you do, do that, anything else is just an act, so whoever you are, be thatā¦ā
Donāt try to pretend. God is going to love us all either way. And we should be allowed to stand up and speak our minds and our truth ā and be able to live our lives according to who we are, where weāre comfortable. So thatās how I feel about that, it shouldnāt matter. Whoever you are, be that.
Thatās really what feminism should be: letās all get around this table and figure it out.
Thereās a lot of things that men do that I donāt appreciate, that I donāt particularly like, but I try not to think itās just because theyāre men. The same thing with women, too; thereās a whole lot of women I donāt particularly care for how they do things. I may not respect how they go about things, but thatās their right: whatever you are, do that! Youāre just a phony if you arenāt doing what you think is rightā¦ Just open your heart, open your mind, and just let life flow.
So youāre back making movies again?
This movie Iām doing for NBC for Christmas, itās really a special. Itās a show within a show. What weāre doing is focused on the dramatic side. Itās showing all the things that go on while youāre putting together a show. All the arguments you have with the producers, all the problems you have with the artists, all the problems you have with scenery falling down and all the things that go on backstage, people having to cancel and reschedule real quick.
I wouldnāt consider me acting, because Iām just totally myself in this. Iām just Dolly all the way, Iām not playing a character. But as far as getting back into the movies, I am going to be doing a leading role in the āRun, Rose, Runā movie, from the novel I wrote with James Patterson that was a No. 1 bestseller! Weāre doing a movie with that, working with Reese Witherspoon, her companyās producing it. I am going to be doing that. But if I find good roles, Iād like to still be in good movies here and there, now and then.
Is that inspiring you as much as writing songs and making music?
Iām inspired by the fact I wrote all the music that is going in the āRun, Rose, Runā movie. Iāve written all those songs. Itās about two singers, an older woman and younger one, but thereās a lot of music. I did an album that went along with that book, which was the first time I think thatās been done.
MAKING IT HAPPEN: With longtime manager Danny Nozell, who spearheaded Partonās return to global touring over the last 15 years. Swapping two identical tour buses, they conquered the continent. Courtesy True Public Relations
Thereās a song I wrote called āRun.ā You know ā run from the problems, based on the story. Iām inspired by that, but I love to write. That of course is my number-one love, less pressure than anything else. Thatās something I can do just by myself, on my own.
I wouldnāt say that Iām trying to do anything other than what comes along that feels right at the time. I can kind of pick and choose these days, at my age and the years that Iāve been in the business.
Are you writing just to write?
I donāt unless I have a project. If Iāve been commissioned to do something or something I feel inspired like when I wrote 19 songs for the āRun, Rose, Runā book or the Christmas movie that we did. I write all the time. Iāll just scribble something down. Iām always coming up with an idea. Thatās something that comes so natural to me. That is my greatest joy, to write songs and then record them and hear what Iāve done.
Over the last five years, youāre somebody who understood culturally we needed a good example. The COVID stuff, people who were hardcore āIām not getting that shotā were like, āWait! Dolly Partonās helping?ā People got the shot because of that. Youāve been good with the LGBTQ+ folks; I know people are a lot more accepting because you are.
If thatās so, that makes me proud. Because I donāt believe anybody has a right to judge another person ā and they donāt have a right to even judge me when I do things that come from my heart.
Just like when I financed the COVID shots, the Moderna: I just knew when the pandemic started, I felt in my heart that it was going to be a bad thing. I try to always put my money where my heart is and where my head is. I felt I should donate some money to that cause, from myself or my family. I never tried to shove it down anyoneās throat ā just the vaccine was there, and if my little dab of money helped get it out to more people that did want it, then fine. But I never judged anyone who didnāt get it or thought anybody should be not getting it or should be getting it. Iām not political on those things. I donāt do it for any other reason other than I feel personally led to do certain things. However people use it or look at it, thatās all fine. I just felt the need to help.
Do you think youāre going to tour in the next five years, will there be a rock tour?
I do not think I will ever tour again, but I do know Iāll do special shows here and there, now and then. Maybe do a long weekend of shows, or just a few shows at a festival. But I have no intention of going on a full-blown tour anymore. Iāve done that my whole life, and it takes so much time and energy. I like to stay a little closer to home with my husband. Weāre getting older now, and I donāt want to be gone for four or five weeks at a time. Something could happen. I would not feel right about that, if I were gone and somebody needed me. Or I would feel bad if I had to leave a tour if somebody got sick at home and needed me and then I had to walk out on the fans.
GLASTONBURY, ENGLAND ā JUNE 29: Dolly Parton performs on the Pyramid stage during day three of the Glastonbury Festival at Worthy Farm in Pilton on June 29, 2014 in Glastonbury, England. Tickets to the event, which is now in its 44th year, sold out in minutes even before any of the headline acts had been confirmed. The festival, which started in 1970 when several hundred hippies paid Ā£1, now attracts more than 175,000 people. (Photo by Jim Dyson/Getty Images)
With all the new technology and ways to reach your fans, youāre also instantly connected.
I donāt ever feel separated from my fans because in this high-tech world, you can be right with them. You can do special shows in special ways. I will be doing some of that. But youāve got to work for weeks to work up a great new show, a new tour they havenāt seen. It takes months to actually plan a tour, as far as booking dates and all that. Then youāve got to be gone for all that time, too. Itās more involved than people have any idea. You really need a year, and certainly six months, to plan a great tour, just preparing to get ready to go hit the road. So you canāt just go out and do a few shows, you really have to commit to doing enough shows to make all that time and effort pay off.
Do you have a favorite live performance?
The Glastonbury Festival I did two years back really stands out. I was scared to death to do that show! I didnāt think that was really my audience because I do a lot of talking, I do a lot of songs that tell stories and I know they love to go to have a big time! I thought they just wanted the music to just go steady with no let-up; but when I did it, I was absolutely amazed. When I was talking and telling the stories and singing the songs that I thought they would not be interested in, they were all standing on their feet. They were so respectful and it was such a huge success. So many people came, that I was really adored and felt honored and emotional about that whole thing. You do remember things that stand out like that. They did know who I was. And I thought, these people are not going to be that familiar with my music because, you know, itās country and all that. But they were! Thatās as close as Iāve felt to being a rock star, was at that Glastonbury Festival (laughs).
Dream duet partners? Anybody you havenāt sung with yet?
Thereās a couple people that I love, and Iām going to be asking them maybe to sing with me on my rock album. Ed Sheeran: Iāve always thought our voices would blend so beautifully together. And I have a particular song Iām going to ask him to sing with me. And, of course, Iāll ask Miley (Cyrus, her goddaughter). I love the Wilson sisters [of Heart]! Thereās a lot of people I hadnāt thought that much about until I started putting together this rock album. Iām going to be thinking seriously about that now.
This gives you license to go explore other worlds.
It does, but also, Chris Stapleton is one of my favorite people ever. I have always wanted to do something with him. Even though heās not considered rock ānā roll, heās kind of like me, heās accepted all the way around. Iām thinking that certainly out of the country field, when I do my rock album, Iām going to maybe ask him.
Most left field?
Jimmy Fallon. The first time I ever worked on his show, we just had a connection ā and itās just been magical. I recorded a song with him, Mariah Careyās āAll I Want For Christmasā for my Christmas album a few years ago. Heās on my Christmas special. We sound really good together; Jimmy is a really good singer. He doesnāt think so, but I do.
I think Jimmy Fallon is one of the special people in the world. When heās on the set, when he was doing the movie, heās just got such an energy about him. And everybody just fell in love with him. He was there for two days, and when he left it was like a light switch flipped off. āOh no! Whereād that great light go?!ā Heās a magnificent human being.
So now youāre going into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, what does it mean to you?
It means a great deal. More than anything, I tried to really see what they said it was all about. I thought I could accept the belonging there with those people when I heard all the reasons they gave. I was honored about that.
After her performance at the Bottom Line, American Country musician Dolly Parton hugs British rocker Mick Jagger backstage, New York, New York, May 14, 1977. (Photo by Allan Tannenbaum/Getty Images)
Iāll do my best to honor this. Iāll continue to love rock ānā roll, Iāll continue to respect and appreciate what the rock ānā roll artists put forward. Just like I would have no trouble at all accepting any kind of award or accolade from the country, bluegrass or gospel field, this was a new one on me! I didnāt think I deserved it, and Iām still not certain I do, but Iām going to accept it gracefully and be proud, and do my best to try to live up to it somehow.
When I do the math on this, youāre a lot like Stevie Nicks.
I love Stevie Nicks, Iām going to ask her to sing on my rock album, too.
You two are like the two good witches, you know?
Well I love her. Iāll tell her you said we were two good witches. (laughs) With a āW,ā right? Not a āB?ā(laughs)
Definitely a āW.ā She brings that larger-than-life thing, too. Everywhere she goes, people see her, and they light up.
I understand that about her. I love her persona. I love her songs. I love her voice, I just love her. As people do! Somebody else I love like that is Lady Gaga. She is so talented, so gifted, and she knows exactly what sheās doing at all times! I really think sheās an incredible person as well. And my Miley! I love women who know who they are, stand their ground and live up to who they are in their own mind, as well as trying to just stand up for what they believe and trying to be there for the people who are moved and inspired by them.
Everybody weāve talked about has really pushed the envelope.
But we did it our way, I guess, is what youāre saying. Thereās all kind of ways to do it, but when youāre a true individual and youāre true to your own self, your own personality, your own gifts, that makes you kind of stand out a little bit. I always said I donāt want to be vanilla. I want to be rocky road.
A much more delicious flavor.
Well much more interesting.
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